Originally by: CCP Dropbear

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For example, the strongest theories about the meaning of Oruze are based on what is directly observable in wormhole space. The Oruze Enclave at the Mirror: Solar engineering, thermovoltaics and photoelectrics. The Oruze Construct, which somebody needs to take a good screenshot of, preferably from directly above.

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Originally by: Pottsey

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CCP Dropbear thanks for that post. Now I need to reread back and figure out which theory I said I didn't like but was plausible.
Well if I was wrong, I was wrong, time to go back and trace some steps. Without re reading the thing that sticks in my mind the most is the power source from the sun. I remember saying something like that was plausible but I didn't like it.

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(out of interest the The Society of Conscious was also funded 3000 years ago right at the same time as the new empire)

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Originally by: Haldane IV

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The Oruze construct picture looks just like the Amarr golden sceptre (shown in the Khumark chronicle), which is a depiction of a flaring Sun.

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Originally by: A Pleasant Surprise

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Krezek got more and more excited the further he inspected the data; apparently these were real complexes, with hi-tech facilities, torture labs - no one had said the Jove were nice - and all sorts of automated machinery to change the systems around and even alter their interior architecture. The deeper one got, the more mutable the systems appeared to be.

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Krezek was too enraptured to notice. He said, half to himself and half to anyone in the vicinity, "Gods, I'd love to try out some of the stuff they've got here. Do you see this? Self-modifying walls! And it's all wired up. It's like the blueprint for the world's biggest rat maze."

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Originally by: Mal Darkrunner

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Originally by: Auwnie Morohe

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The question is why. Look at what could have motivated them to act the way they did...on a lot of occasions we are literally told what drives the Jove...

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Aren't the Jovians driven by a thirst for knowledge?

Originally by: The Battle of Vok'Atioth

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The Jovians valued one thing above all else û information. Their need for information had led to the formation of the Jovian intelligence network, an entity with eyes and ears in most EmpiresÆ internal archives.

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There's also a quote from a chronicle called The Truth Serum written by Gorda Hoje, a Jovian philosopher and mentor to the founder of SOCT:

Originally by: The Truth Serum

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What if Truth was like a tiny speck of sand?
A speck that has been washed and weighed, polished, smoothed and curbed into one shiny point, the Universal Truth.
What if we could take this grain of sand and collect it into a book? We would treasure the book like our own life. We would lock it with the purpose of our mind.
And when we craved the truth we would open it up and let the grains wash over us. We would soak ourselves in its depth and bask in its radiance.

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Gorda then goes on to talk about real truth and substitute truth and talks about the ability of truth to set us free. Then he says:

Originally by: The Truth Serum

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But when weÆve become enslaved to this freedom, then it is freedom no longer.
It is the worst kind of prison.

A prison with no walls and no chains. We cannot break free for we cannot see what binds us.

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It's probably not related in any way, but this reminds me a little of the bit at the beginning of Anoikis:

Originally by: Anoikis

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Imagine if the bars to your prison were all you had ever known.

Then one day, someone appears and unlocks the door.

If they have the power to do this, then are they really the liberator?

You never remembered who it was that closed you in.

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Anyhow, the Jovians are seekers of knowledge, possibly even seekers of some kind of absolute truth. You could say it not only drives them, but maybe also defines them?

Unfortunately I'm not awake enough this morning to connect this to anything. As always, I'm just thinking out loud!

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Originally by: Allant Doran

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The last few comments have gotten me thinking.

what do we factually know for definite about the Enheduanni?

Are they their own race that the Jove is at war with? Is it one of the races we currently know of? Is it a metaphor for an event or some kind of specific plague or weapon itself?

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Originally by: Theodicy

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Viola thought about his response for a moment, then found the Jovian's pitch black eyes staring at hers. "Grious, are the Enheduanni human?"

"Not anymore."

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Originally by: Auwnie Morohe

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Ekpyrotic, I like it.

And since we are talking about Genesis. The moment the systems become non english descriptive, after Access we have Angur. In quite a few languages this means something.

Linkage

Angur is also big and blue.

Anyone else notice how some hints got exaggerated some more in the latest patch. I think the devs thought it wasnt obvious enough, well maybe it isnt. Thank god we are not on a plane. Oh wait.

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Originally by: Cave Lord

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Also, I don't recall this being mentioned before, but in Pottsey's original post, it says at the end that the Ship's AI needs more computing power to get more data... has anyone tried to visit the mirror sites with a larger ship? Perhaps one of these ships such as the echelon? (codebreaker ship)

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Originally by: Deceiver's Voice

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There's only three things you can really attempt:
-Analyze
-Hack
-Blow it up

Seeing as how one of those destroys it's utility (you don't want to blow it up; seriously), that leaves analyzing and hacking.

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Originally by: Cave Lord

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Nice find. It's not on contracts or the market. I don't imagine this item is available to us (yet). intriguing..

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Originally by: Lancashirian

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Where, specifically, does it say that the Takmahl were members of the Amarrian Empire? Forgive me if I have missed something, but all I can see is that they used to occupy Amarrian space. If they were in fact a part of the Amarr Empire, then why don't the Amarrians know more about them and have even more advanced technology like the Takmahl did?

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Originally by: khazak mokl

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One thing I did notice in C5 sites where you have the polestars/static gates there is also a item called talocan disruption spires.
Could this be like a cyno jamming structure but for targeted WH's like sansha is using?
This could point to the the 2 races using 2 different methods for getting about. The talocans with there static gates to move from system to system and the sleepers using targeted wormholes.
If the two races were in conflict they may have needed the disruption spires to stop the sleepers invading there home systems.

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The Talocan disruption tower is the most mysterious of the Talocan structures. Although certainly a part of the Talocan station, its hinges and propulsion systems imply ready removal from stations, but the peaks and points are unlike any current weapon grouping or turret structure. The tower appears as more of a mechanical syringe than a defense turret, but that may be just speculation. Regardless of the theories, the disruption tower is an unsettling relic of the Talocans.

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Originally by: Jovan Geldon

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I really hope that the advancement of this storyline by CCP doesn't hinge on us finding one specific wormhole system and doing something in it. That would just be...well, I'd feel a little cheated, to say the least.

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Originally by: Arvash

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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu

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Originally by: Jovan Geldon

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I really hope that the advancement of this storyline by CCP doesn't hinge on us finding one specific wormhole system and doing something in it. That would just be...well, I'd feel a little cheated, to say the least.

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Really? I'd just want to be the first.

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I'm with Istvaan on this one. In fact, the entire point of Shattered was to chronicle my run at trying to find an answer - that one elusive in-game item, place or function that could be interacted with and trigger the next phase of the story.

Needless to say, FAIL.

I've come to the conclusion that a bunch of clues were scattered around the cluster, but that the "trigger item" does not yet exist in game - CCP Dropbear probably has a plan for what it is and where it will go, and who knows - it might have been seeded with Incursion (my exploration was largely done during Tyrannis).

But four months of looking and somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 jumps has largely burned me out on in-game searching, and I'm learning what I can these days more through reviewing canon. Ah, well, at least I got some nice screenshots and have probably seen more of New Eden than the vast majority of capsuleers.

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Originally by: Nathan Jameson

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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu

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Interesting update on wormholes:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1453984

Numerous people are reporting this. It would appear, that it is possible to spawn multiple copies of a wormhole.

As I understand it: When a wormhole is nearing its end of life, place one pilot at either end of the hole. When it collapses, it will disappear in k-space but visually remain in w-space. If the pilot in w-space then attempts to jump through the still-visible wormhole, a message is received stating you cannot jump - but for every attempt made, a wormhole of identical class is soon spawned.

If you do this in a wormhole with a highsec exit, you can spawn lots of highsec exits.

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Confirming that I have also been able to do this, turning a wormhole system into Swiss cheese with the same connection to high sec space. I doubt the inhabitants were too pleased.

I only did this once, and wasn't sure if it was repeatable. Apparently it is. I'd suspect it's a bug that was introduced with the coding of the last patch, since that's when people started noticing it. Someone should petition it.

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Originally by: Jovan Geldon

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Tell me about it...I still think that there's one piece of the puzzle that needs to slotted in before we can see the whole picture though. I wish Dropbear would give us another clue, we haven't really made an awful lot of progress since he last posted.

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Originally by: Auwnie Morohe

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Sleepers as we know them are drones.

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I dont think the drones of the Sleepers and the rogue drones are created equally. What I mean is people come up with similar solutions for problems. This is especially the case when there is a natural propensity for it in the first place. You know, Skynet.

Rogue Drones came into being because a Gallentean scientist gave too much freedom or power to an AI and a new creature was created or rather emerged. I think this was done before or at the very least could very easily have happened before.

A technologically advanced society starts tinkering with very advanced technology. This is not unheard of in New Eden.

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Originally by: Sorxus

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"The Jovians are not very forthcoming with information about their technological advances in this regard. Today they employ jump gates functioning on the same principle as the otherÆs, but nothing is known on where or when the Jovians acquired their jump gate technology. However, theyÆve revealed an interesting fact: according to ancient Jovian legends, the Jovians used the ancient jump gates that scatter the world to travel between solar systems a long time ago, before the jump gates crumbled. The legends stay silent about the makers of the gates."

How to understand this?

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Originally by: Ellis Croix

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She's a capsuleer, and she sent back a locus. Furthermore, she mentions the first colonists through the EVE Gate.

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Originally by: Ellis Croix

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Data Library: 11,799,985

Neural Network Analyzer: 1,162,057

Coordinates Database: 244,234

Drone AI Nexus: 70,726

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If those keeping the secret are connected to the Jove/SoCT, then by process of elimination, why would there be concern as to Burreau being chosen?

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Originally by: Ellis Croix

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Of course, you could always ask yourself why Zainou Biotech is purchasing the following items:

Data Library
Neural Network Analyzer
Coordinates Database
Drone AI Nexus

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Originally by: Ellis Croix

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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu

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Originally by: Ellis Croix

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Of course, you could always ask yourself why Zainou Biotech is purchasing the following items:

Data Library
Neural Network Analyzer
Coordinates Database
Drone AI Nexus

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Might it have anything to do with their CEO?

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More likely the fact that Zainou is the second leading provider of clones in New Eden. But yeah, kind of goes hand-in-hand with their most famous "innovation".

You know, that might also be why the Emperor Family is purchasing these items too...

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Originally by: Arvash

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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu

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Arvash, very interesting find. Any chance you could compare another set of systems, just to see if there's another match?

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Being my particular area of focus, I already had much of this in old spreadsheets for the shattered planet systems. I looked at all nine known systems and the rest are not good matches. However, as noted in my research, there theoretically should be 20 systems, but the others may be 'disconnected', so it's not a disproof of the idea.

My next thought would be to have someone who is good with data dumps run a star comparison across all stars looking for matches. That should tell us if there are real pairs or if CCP just made 100 system templates and copy-pasted them 500 times...

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